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Post by angelnegron on Sept 20, 2013 15:30:49 GMT
Hi everyone. Going to pass along my experience with replacing the two exhaust fans from my XL2. As always, individual results will vary. Three years after I bought my XL2, one of my OEM fans failed. At the time I decided to replace both fans and bought generic 3-pin fans from the big blue box, not knowing any different. The system ran fine for four years just fine, if a bit warm. When I discovered this great support group of XL-techies and the BIOS update, I took note of the OpSpecs of those replacement fans and Mr. Robert kindly pointed out the lack of PWM on those fans. So now, after a bit of searching, I found these here. No other fan I researched came close to the OEM specs. The only issue I have had so far is that the wire leads are way too short at 8 inches (200mm), so I spliced an extra 8 inches. The wires are listed as UL1430 #26AWG (or equivalent). The wires on my fans were at least this size, and they were stranded, so be careful when stripping. If you're not confident in splicing wire, there are plenty of options for " 4-pin fan extension cables". Click to start. Another option is a Cooler Master fan found here. This one is also being used by other fellow XL'ers. Here are the OpSpecs compared to the OEM (as published):
| OEM | Everflow
| Cooler Master
| Price
| US $25
| US $8
| US $10
| | Model | 3110RL-04W-B76 | R128025BUAF | R4-BM8S-30PK-R0
| Cable Length
| 15 in (380mm)
| 7.8 in (200mm)
| 15.75 in (400mm)
| | Electrical | 12V DC 0.44A | 12V DC 0.24A | 12V DC 0.26A
| | Power | 4.08 W
| 2.88 W
| 3.12 W
| Speed
| 3600 rpm
| 3400 rpm
| 3000 rpm
| | Air | 44.49 CFM max
| 46.18 CFM max
| 40.8 CFM max
| | Noise | 36.0 (dB) max | 35.3 (dB) Max
| 28.0 (dB) Max
| | Pressure | 4.83 (mmH20) | 3.85 (mmH2O) | 4.23 (mmH2O)
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If you want OEM, I found them here. Been running two days now...so far so good. Cheers!
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Post by Oliver on Sept 20, 2013 20:31:01 GMT
Hi Angel, Thank you very much for your detailed post, I did consider "upgrading" my fans, but it seems the original fans are pretty good, even compared to the latest and greatest fans on the market. My main reason for wanting to upgrade was to try and make my VAIO as quiet as possible. Im wanting to update the VGX-XLpedia page www.vgx-xl.com/hardware-upgrades/cooling-acoustics to include ideas for cooling like thermal pastes, adding extra fans, anti vibration screws/mats etc. Would you mind if I use some of your post on the page, I'll credit your help. Cheers again angel for the very useful post, Oliver |
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Post by angelnegron on Sept 20, 2013 23:19:27 GMT
Im wanting to update the VGX-XLpedia page www.vgx-xl.com/hardware-upgrades/cooling-acoustics to include ideas for cooling like thermal pastes, adding extra fans, anti vibration screws/mats etc. Would you mind if I use some of your post on the page, I'll credit your help. That's what I was going to suggest. Go ahead and use what you need. I just updated the post to include some additional information. Thanks! |
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Post by Oliver on Sept 27, 2013 12:56:31 GMT
Hi again Angel, Thanks for the information, it was too useful to leave in just this forum thread. I have now updated the Cooling & Acoustics page with your information. If you have any further information or would like me to alter the page in anyway, please just let me know  Cheers, Oliver |
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Post by Oliver on Sept 28, 2013 10:45:44 GMT
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Post by angelnegron on Sept 28, 2013 20:42:41 GMT
Wow, those look amazing
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Post by wheeker on Jan 22, 2015 12:32:57 GMT
Hi Oliver- did you ever carry out this upgrade? I have been hearing some random noises from my CPU Exhaust Rear fans & I may well need to replace them. If you or anyone else hasn't done this yet, do you think, going by the specs, that they should be compatible? |
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Post by Oliver on Jan 22, 2015 21:12:16 GMT
Hi wheeler,
I decided not to bother changing the fans in my VGX-XL, it is pretty quiet anyway so I guessed I didn't have much to gain. I suspect it's the power supply fan or front internal fan that is causing most of the noise, but its not loud anyhow.
I did research fans and the Shadow Wings above was the best (on paper) that I could find. That was 18 months ago so perhaps better could be available now?
If you haven't tried already its worth opening your VGX-XL and spraying some compressed air around, make sure you hold the fans still as you spray them or this can damage them.
If you do need or just want to replace I'd definitely consider the Shadow Wings, they seem a good price too.
You'd probably be the first to try them, not sure if that a good or bad thing :/
Please let us know either way
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Post by abh on Jan 24, 2015 1:47:05 GMT
Hi All,
After reading this post I thought I would try the Silent Wing 2 fans. The units look great, but they don't quite fit the rear cowling as easily as the original units. They have a rubberised coating and to get them to fit takes a lot of persuasion. They are really designed to attach to the back of a standard PC chassis along with the special dampening screws. They appear to be slightly oversized compared to standard shelled 80mm fans. Yes they are quiet, but very expensive! I've removed mine and sent them back. Will try another option later.
BTW you need 2x 80mm CMW 4 pin 450mm cable fans for the rear cowling but 3pin non-CMW for the front fan.
Hope that's helpful?
kind regards
Andrew
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Post by Oliver on Jan 24, 2015 6:17:56 GMT
Thanks Andrew for your feedback. Its a shame they didn't fit well, as on paper they appeared to be a perfect replacement. I guess the rubber coating that stops them fitting is what also helps keep them quiet. They are dearer than a lot of fans out there, but as £10 each (via the Amazon link) still affordable. If you still need replacement fans, angelnegron seemed pleased with his replacement in the OP, or can you reinstall the original fans? Cheers again for letting us know, |
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Post by IT Troll on Jan 24, 2015 9:50:24 GMT
I did a full fan replacement a few years ago, see here for details. vgx-xl.proboards.com/post/688
However I think I am due another round as the rear ones are starting to get a little noisy again. I have been impressed with the DUSTproof model I got for the front. Unfortunately I don't think they do a PWM model suitable for the rear. |
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Post by wheeker on Aug 12, 2015 10:58:38 GMT
Hi All, After reading this post I thought I would try the Silent Wing 2 fans. The units look great, but they don't quite fit the rear cowling as easily as the original units. They have a rubberised coating and to get them to fit takes a lot of persuasion. They are really designed to attach to the back of a standard PC chassis along with the special dampening screws. They appear to be slightly oversized compared to standard shelled 80mm fans. Yes they are quiet, but very expensive! I've removed mine and sent them back. Will try another option later. BTW you need 2x 80mm CMW 4 pin 450mm cable fans for the rear cowling but 3pin non-CMW for the front fan. Hope that's helpful? kind regards Andrew My rear fans now have an annoying whine from them so I figure I had better replace them! Having re-read this thread I am still not sure what the best replacements are?  The Silent Wings seem to be the best on paper but above abh says fitting them "takes a lot of persuasion". Not sure price is really an issue as Amazon have them @ GBP £9.40 + Free Delivery. The only other alternative I can find in the UK are the Cooler Master ones which are GBP£6.29 + £3.99 Delivery, so more expensive (also Amazon Q&A suggests it's a 3-pin connector?!?). The OEM fans can be bought from Aliexpress in China for GBP£7.83 + Free Delivery, but from the photos they look 2nd hand & I have no experience ordering from Aliexpress & delivery is 15-34 days. So what would people recommend- go with the Silent Wings & be prepared for a bit of fettling to install? Are there any other options out there? |
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Post by wheeker on Dec 15, 2015 17:00:40 GMT
Just to report back that I finally got around to replacing my Rear Exhaust Fans- I bought 2 of these: Coolink SWiF2-80PIt took me a while to realise I just needed any 80mm PWM fan, looked around a bit & found these as the best & cheapest option @ only GBP £6.99 each + Free Delivery. Installation was a breeze  . My VGX is now back to being super-quiet!  |
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Post by Oliver on Dec 17, 2015 8:44:06 GMT
Thanks for sharing, I dare say a few of us will need replacement fans.
I've been thinking about it for a while but just can't justify it yet as its still not that noisy, though I would prefer it s little quieter
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Post by wheeker on Apr 15, 2016 10:56:05 GMT
Just to report back that I finally got around to replacing my Rear Exhaust Fans- I bought 2 of these: Coolink SWiF2-80PIt took me a while to realise I just needed any 80mm PWM fan, looked around a bit & found these as the best & cheapest option @ only GBP £6.99 each + Free Delivery. Installation was a breeze . My VGX is now back to being super-quiet! Ok - I think I may have spoken too soon! As per my other thread XL100 CPU upgrade? I have been having high CPU Temp issues & I have finally come to the conclusion the Coolink fans I bought are not up to spec. As per angelnegron here is the Coolink spec added to his other suggestions:
| OEM | Everflow | Cooler Master | Coolink | | Price | US $25 | US $8 | US $10 | GBP £7 | | Model | 3110RL-04W-B76 | R128025BUAF | R4-BM8S-30PK-R0 | SWiF2-80P | | Cable Length | 15 in (380mm) | 7.8 in (200mm) | 15.75 in (400mm) | 15.75 in (400mm)? | | Electrical | 12V DC 0.44A | 12V DC 0.24A | 12V DC 0.26A | 7 - 13V 0.09A | | Power | 4.08 W | 2.88 W | 3.12 W | 1.08 W | | Speed | 3600 rpm | 3400 rpm | 3000 rpm | 2000 rpm | | Air | 44.49 CFM max | 46.18 CFM max | 40.8 CFM max | 30.8 CFM Max | | Noise | 36.0 (dB) max | 35.3 (dB) Max | 28.0 (dB) Max | 19 (dB) Max | | Pressure | 4.83 (mmH20) | 3.85 (mmH2O) | 4.23 (mmH2O) | ?
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My main error was reading the Coolink Airflow spec as 24-52.3 but m3/h not CFM, so this only equates to 30.8 CFM  . Also the power is only 1.08 W, I just thought it was more efficient  . So can someone please confirm my fears that the Coolink fans aren't up to spec. If so, has anyone come up with other alternatives? As per my earlier post I can't source the OEM or Everflow fans in UK/Ireland. Looking closer at the SilentWings specs it is actually 26 CFM / 44.2 m3/h, so as per the Coolink, airflow is prob too low. So I suppose the Cooler Master ones are the fans to get? Of course- I threw out my OEM fans on fitting the Coolinks  |
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Post by sinful on Apr 16, 2016 17:47:38 GMT
Sometime in the near future, I think I'll pick up another vgx-xl and design a heatsink adapter so that everyone can switch over to more modern and effective cooling options.
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Post by Oliver on Apr 18, 2016 8:01:19 GMT
wheeker Thanks for updating the fan comparison table and giving us your feedback. This will prevent others making the same error and might help us understand just how far we can reduce down the fans. I wonder if you could getaway with keeping one of your coolink fans alongside another fan? I guess it's safer just to replace all the fans. Looking at the specs the Cooler Master seems to be best on paper. If low noise is important I'd definitely go with Cooler Master but if you want your system as cool as possible go with the Overflow. Assuming all the fans are still available. sinfulYou have some of the best hardware mods on this forum, your custom VGX-XL is amazing. I'm not sure how you can adapt the heatsink but if anyone can I'm sure you can.
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Post by wheeker on Apr 27, 2016 13:01:07 GMT
Ok, so I went ahead & bought 2x Cooler Master Blade Master fans & they do seem to work a lot better. However all of this CPU Temp monitoring has got me slightly perplexed as to what should be the safe operating temp for our VGX-XL's. Here's the temps I am getting: BigBIOS Fan Control:From clean boot: 57-59 C From Resume: 62-70 C Speedfan:From clean boot: 47 C (PWM fans @ 50% & 45%) From Resume: 62-70 C So firstly I am obviously having issues with fan control from Resume. From Resume both BigBIOS default & Speedfan run the 2x Exhaust fans at their lowest(?) setting (c. 1000 rpm) which leads to high temps well exceeding the stated Max Pentium D 945 Temp of 63.4 C. Why is this happening, has it always happened- perhaps I was blissfully unaware of this before! I am working on trying to get Speedfan working correctly from Resume, no idea how I can do this with the BigBIOS. From a clean boot the BIOS Fan Control results in a temp of 57-59 C being maintained- is this ideal? I am reading that Pentium D's run hot & that this temp is fine. Using Speedfan the lowest I can get with 100% fans is 45 C, fans @ 50% & 45% gives a steady 47 C without the noise being too intrusive. Should I be aiming to maintain 47 C or is 59 C fine? What temps do others get? |
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VGX-XL: VGX-XL100
CPU: D 945 pentium dual core 3.4Ghz
RAM: 4 GB 533mhz DDR2
Graphics: NVidia GT 710 1gb
BIOS: Mod V1.2 (Standard)
HDD/SSD: 1TB
Optical Drive: standard
TV Tuner 1: Philips 210SE DVB-T
TV Tuner 2: none
Keyboard: kensington trackball
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Post by simon214 on Aug 17, 2016 15:15:05 GMT
hi, i found a strange little back street vender of fans .... Brand: Delta Model: AFB0812SH DC 12V 0.51A Type: Case Fan Fan Size: 80mm RPM: 4000 RPM Air Flow: 46.62 CFM Noise Level: 40 dBA Color: Black Dimensions: 80 x 80 x 25mm Safty: CE, UL, CSA, VDE www.moddiy.com/products/AVC-8020-80mm-12V-0.46A-PWM-4%252dPin-Cooling-Fan.htmlAVC 8020 80mm 12V 0.46A PWM 4-Pin Cooling Fan rand: AVC Manufacturer: Taiwan AVC Technology Co., Ltd. Dimensions: 80 × 80 × 20mm Fan speed :900-4200RPM (PWM minimum 900 rpm or so) Bearing Type: Dual Ball Life: 50,000 hours (25 ℃, 45 ~ 85% relative humidity environment) Speed: Support Current: 0.46A Rated voltage: 12V Noise :15-46 .5 DB Airflow: 59.27CFM Interface: Motherboard 4PIN Cable and interface: length 17.5cm fan standard 4Pin Motherboard Interface check out the noise level....lol do you think if you ran the second one slow, it would be quieter? worried about the current draw too. "delta"'s euoperan vendor is aerco... their website is down hese two are silverstone SST-AP81 Air Penetrator Fan 0825 - Dimensions: 80 x 80 x 25 mm (WxHxD) - Material: Plastic - Volume: 30 dB (A) - Speed: 3,000 r / min - Airflow: 50.1 m³ / h (29 cfm) - Air pressure: 2.9 mm-H2O - Voltage: 12 V - Start voltage: 4.5 V - Power Consumption: 1.92 W - Connector: 3-Pin SST-FW81 FW Series Fan 0825, PWM Specifications:- - Dimensions: 80 x 80 x 25 mm (W x H x D) - Material: Plastic - Weight: 73 g - Color: Blue (frame), White (blades) - Speed: 1200-3000 r / min - Air flow: 20.28 to 49.86 m³ / h - Static Pressure: 0.45 to 2.9 mmH2O - Volume: 15.3 to 30 dB (A) - Voltage: 12 V - Start voltage: 4.5 V - Connector: 4-pin PWM - Life expectancy: 40,000 hours oh and maplins do the extention leads for £5.99 |
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Post by Oliver on Aug 22, 2016 23:07:28 GMT
hi, i found a strange little back street vender of fans .... Brand: Delta Model: AFB0812SH DC 12V 0.51A Type: Case Fan Fan Size: 80mm RPM: 4000 RPM Air Flow: 46.62 CFM Noise Level: 40 dBA Color: Black Dimensions: 80 x 80 x 25mm Safty: CE, UL, CSA, VDE www.moddiy.com/products/AVC-8020-80mm-12V-0.46A-PWM-4%252dPin-Cooling-Fan.htmlAVC 8020 80mm 12V 0.46A PWM 4-Pin Cooling Fan rand: AVC Manufacturer: Taiwan AVC Technology Co., Ltd. Dimensions: 80 × 80 × 20mm Fan speed :900-4200RPM (PWM minimum 900 rpm or so) Bearing Type: Dual Ball Life: 50,000 hours (25 ℃, 45 ~ 85% relative humidity environment) Speed: Support Current: 0.46A Rated voltage: 12V Noise :15-46 .5 DB Airflow: 59.27CFM Interface: Motherboard 4PIN Cable and interface: length 17.5cm fan standard 4Pin Motherboard Interface check out the noise level....lol do you think if you ran the second one slow, it would be quieter? worried about the current draw too. "delta"'s euoperan vendor is aerco... their website is down hese two are silverstone SST-AP81 Air Penetrator Fan 0825 - Dimensions: 80 x 80 x 25 mm (WxHxD) - Material: Plastic - Volume: 30 dB (A) - Speed: 3,000 r / min - Airflow: 50.1 m³ / h (29 cfm) - Air pressure: 2.9 mm-H2O - Voltage: 12 V - Start voltage: 4.5 V - Power Consumption: 1.92 W - Connector: 3-Pin SST-FW81 FW Series Fan 0825, PWM Specifications:- - Dimensions: 80 x 80 x 25 mm (W x H x D) - Material: Plastic - Weight: 73 g - Color: Blue (frame), White (blades) - Speed: 1200-3000 r / min - Air flow: 20.28 to 49.86 m³ / h - Static Pressure: 0.45 to 2.9 mmH2O - Volume: 15.3 to 30 dB (A) - Voltage: 12 V - Start voltage: 4.5 V - Connector: 4-pin PWM - Life expectancy: 40,000 hours oh and maplins do the extention leads for £5.99 Hi, The second fan (AVC) sounds promising on paper, it looks like it can slow down to reduce noise but up the tempo when needed. Both SilverStone fans you mention don't pass enough air through so are likely to cause overheating stability issues. Unfortunately the quieter fans spin less and don't pass enough air through, the best hope is to buy fans which pass enough air have quality ball bearings and fit them with rubber grommets. Keeping everything dust free will help keep cool and quiet too. I always though that if you could somehow fit a fan to the CPU heatsink you could then use quieter fans, though you'd have 3 rather than 2 fans making noise. In my custom HTPC I have used 3 quiet fans, the rear are 2x slow spinning coollink fans. Like this...  ...I'm not sure how you could add an extra fan to a VGX-XL though, it's much easier and cheaper just to buy fans with a similar air flow to the original fans. Remember the original fans are pretty old now and will be noisier than when new. Even if the new fans are the same noise db level on paper they will still likely be quieter than the old originals. Please let us know which fans you decided to use |
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The Silent Wings seem to be the best on paper but above abh says fitting them "takes a lot of persuasion". Not sure price is really an issue as Amazon have them @ GBP £9.40 + Free Delivery. The only other alternative I can find in the UK are the Cooler Master ones which are GBP£6.29 + £3.99 Delivery, so more expensive (also Amazon Q&A suggests it's a 3-pin connector?!?). The OEM fans can be bought from Aliexpress in China for GBP£7.83 + Free Delivery, but from the photos they look 2nd hand & I have no experience ordering from Aliexpress & delivery is 15-34 days.
. My VGX is now back to being super-quiet! 
. Also the power is only 1.08 W, I just thought it was more efficient 
. So can someone please confirm my fears that the Coolink fans aren't up to spec. If so, has anyone come up with other alternatives? As per my earlier post I can't source the OEM or Everflow fans in UK/Ireland. Looking closer at the SilentWings specs it is actually 26 CFM / 44.2 m3/h, so as per the Coolink, airflow is prob too low. So I suppose the Cooler Master ones are the fans to get?
