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Post by Oliver on Jun 25, 2016 17:37:10 GMT
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Post by IT Troll on Jun 25, 2016 22:51:50 GMT
Hmmm. I am disappointed with the result too. But throwing away votes until you get the result you want is not democracy.
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Post by Oliver on Jun 26, 2016 0:40:41 GMT
It's a bit tongue in check, aimed at all the people who signed for a second referendum.
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Post by IT Troll on Jun 26, 2016 8:20:30 GMT
That's OK then. I did wonder, but then I have seen people say and do stranger things in relation to the referendum.
I do think 16 year olds should have got a vote. They will be 18 or older by the time this change takes effect and it will impact the whole of their adult life, and they never got a say.
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Post by Oliver on Jun 26, 2016 16:01:05 GMT
That's OK then. I did wonder, but then I have seen people say and do stranger things in relation to the referendum. I do think 16 year olds should have got a vote. They will be 18 or older by the time this change takes effect and it will impact the whole of their adult life, and they never got a say. I feel any changes to voting should be made prior to a general election, not a referendum otherwise the changed could be seen as a tactic by one side to skew the vote. They're has to be a cut of age, currently it is set at 18, but yeah this could be lowered I guess. If at 16yo you can join the Army then perhaps you should be able to vote. I always thought it amusing that you can have sex at 16 but can't watch pornograpgy until your 18. Your old enough to have sex, but not old enough watch it! For whatever reason I've always thought the young are generally not interested in voting and I guess this is why we don't hear of student protesting against the voting age, unlike issues like the gay age of consent (mind you I didn't see many 16yo campaigning for that either, worryingly it seemed to be mainly middle aged men wanting the age of consent lowered) I wouldn't want the voting age to raise above 18 or drop below 16, but 16-18 I'm indifferent. |
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Post by IT Troll on Jun 26, 2016 22:15:15 GMT
The age limit was changed to 16 for the Scottish referendum. So Scottish 16 year olds could vote if they wanted to stay in the UK (75% of which did vote) but this time they could not vote if they wanted to stay in the EU. In Wales the age threshold is also now 16 for Welsh Assembly matters.
Given the older (50+) voter bias towards leaving the EU it seems wrong to me that almost 2 million young people didn't get a say in their future and most likely would have voted to remain. Then we question why they do not engage with politics...
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Post by Oliver on Jun 27, 2016 0:39:06 GMT
I didn't know that about the Welsh Assembly or the Scottish referendum.
Seems strange to have different rules in different places.
The old seem to be getting blamed for the Brexit but I don't think that is fair, all the age pyramids I see show far fewer old people than young people, the old simply don't have the numbers to out vote the young.
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Post by IT Troll on Jun 27, 2016 12:29:57 GMT
No the UK has an aging population. There are more over 50s than 18-49s. Even if 16-18s are included there are still more over 50s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Age_structureOf course age wasn't the only factor, but given that the over 50s were more likely to vote leave and there are more of them, it is significant. Attachments:
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Post by Oliver on Jun 27, 2016 15:33:54 GMT
No the UK has an aging population. There are more over 50s than 18-49s. Even if 16-18s are included there are still more over 50s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Age_structureOf course age wasn't the only factor, but given that the over 50s were more likely to vote leave and there are more of them, it is significant. Interesting stats. I guess the aging population means old becomes much older than it once used to be. I am surprised they are more over 50s than below. The average life expectancy in the UK is about 82yo now, so being in your 50s and 60s is perhaps no so old anymore. I guess if we say voting age is 18-82 then 50 would be in the middle, so yeah it's fair to say that below 50 are the young voters and above are the old voters. It's been a while since I've thought of myself as a young voter  |
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